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How Much Rake

Monday, September 13th, 2010

Poker TableRatings have a new page that shows average rake paid; http://www.pokertableratings.com/poker-rake-analysis/no-limit-hold%27em

Obviously the sites that offer rakeback will have higher Rake, but for nanostakes (NL10 and less) even with Rakeback Full Tilt was really bad compared to Pokerstars or Party Poker. Guess I’ve just moved my roll to the wrong site.

I suspect if I move up to NL50 I might lose more than just rake though…

Party Poker’s Stupidity

Saturday, August 14th, 2010

Got an email today from Party Poker;

Dear Meteoric,

Our records show that that you have not logged in to your account for 180 days.

A $ 6.43 administration fee** has been charged to your inactive account. The next charge will be deducted from you account balance on: 11-Sep-2010 ET.

Stupid idiots. I did know that was their policy, and they gave me the chance to avoid it by playing at least one raked hand, but tbh how moronic is that. So I avoided the payment by withdrawing all my cash.

Surprisingly I found $50 in there, so that was nice.

Fear of the Reg

Thursday, February 11th, 2010

Switching to heads-up SNG’s has been a good move, but I’ve been a bit of a coward. Games at the weekend have been nice and easy, but the few I’ve tried on weekday evenings didn’t go too well. Not that I played many – usually it would go something like;

Sit down & wait.
Guy joins the table – shit, he has an avatar! He must be a reg…
He raises the button! Oh no, I’m in trouble.
We play a bunch of hands, I panic, money goes all in and then I go out.
I log out of poker and watch tv instead. Stop loss of one game!

Very pathetic. So I came up with a plan – weekday evening time here in the UK is working day time in the States, so all the Americans playing at that time would be more likely to be a reg. Solution – play Party Poker where our girth challenged ex-colonial friends can’t play! Our evening time would mean European casual players plus the Russians who should be getting on to be fairly drunk (yes, you know who you are!). Perfect plan!

Except it turns out the rake on Party Poker for micro SNGs is horrendous! Not only that, but they ‘hide’ how much of the buy-in is Rake – you only get to see it as you register on a table (and even then it isn’t very obvious). I played a few games, won and lost the same number and was down a load just from rake. What a waste of time.

So I switched back to Pokerstars and thought ‘what the hell’ – if I play against regs then even if I lose it’s good for my game. Learn to play ffs.

And just to make it more interesting I switched up to $20 games. It turned out ok too – played 6 and won 4 of them, so was up $34. I then decided I might just cope with a 4man SNG, and crushed it  :-D

Total winnings for the night $97 (just an hour’s play too!).Two more straight wins and I’ll be bankrolled for $30 games

Ok, now I’m not scared of the regs. Well, not the regs on Thursday nights anyway…

Update: Hmm, just checked what kind of bankroll management people are recommending out there, and I’m being cautious (bit of a surprise!).  This is from an old (2007) 2p2 thread;

You can’t stand or would prefer not to have to move down levels.
You like to have a very padded roll to feel comfortable playing.
Losing a decent portion of your BR tilts you.
You are still learning how to own husngs and you aren’t quite comfortable playing them yet.
BR:$30 – $99 Play $2s
BR:$100 – $199 Play $5s
BR:$200 – $399 Play $10s
BR:$400 – $599 Play $20s
BR:$600 – $999 Play $30s
BR:$1000 – $2499 Play $50s
BR:$2500+ Play $100s
You are fine with having to move down.
You want to move up the ranks semi-quickly.
BR:$20 – $49 Play $2s
BR:$50 – $99 Play $5s
BR:$100 – $199 Play $10s
BR:$200 – $299 Play $20s
BR:$300 – $499 Play $30s
BR:$500 – $999 Play $50s
BR:$1000+ Play $100s
You are comfortable playing and adjusting to any stakes and player.
You are or have good reason to believe you are a solid winner. (Think 63%+ winrate here)
You have very minimal tilt issues.
You want to take on a bit more risk and build a roll quickly.
You are ok with having to redeposit if you bust early on.
BR:$10 – $24 Play $2s
BR:$25 – $49 Play $5s
BR:$50 – $99 Play $10s
BR:$100 – $149 Play $20s
BR:$150 – $249 Play $30s
BR:$250 – $499 Play $50s
BR:$500+ Play $100s

I reckon I fit into the middle option – 3rd one looks kinda scary, I’d be playing $50′s now and only one win away from $100s! That looks like a route to busto to me. If my weekend session has a solid winrate though, I might be tempted 8-O (somebody stop me!)

New State of Mind, Plus New Hands Tracker

Monday, January 4th, 2010

So after my end of year post I opened some tables and tried to play more moderately – less bluffs, more pot control, and generally less spewage. Straight away it started working with a great session, winning 2 buy-ins. That was on Party Poker, and then today I switched to Pokerstars which was in a real state – I’d lost $60 there and it was down to $15 in the account. I considered reloading it, and then figured I’d just put $5 on a couple of tables and see if I could revive it by playing. 150 hands later I’d won $30!

Spot the other difference? That graph is from Hold’em Manager – I watched a video where this guy was doing some nice analysis with HEM and I figured I ought to splash out and try it.

After trying it for a few days I’m hooked! It’s way better than PokerTracker. The interface isn’t as pretty (grey isn’t a good colour), but the functionality is way ahead. I can now plot my winnings so it includes rakeback and bonuses, and for the first time it’s actually a winning amount rather than a losing amount :-)

The HUD is also easier to operate and hasn’t struggled at any of the sites I’ve tried. It has a fantastic hand review feature giving a very clear and instant view – PokerTracker you have to dig out the hand and view it in the replayer which is a bit too clunky when you’re trying to play at the same time.

Filters are really comprehensive, although PokerTracker wasn’t too bad in this respect.

The only thing that PokerTracker wins is the final export of the graph – as you can see in the pic above HEM isn’t as aesthetically streamlined as the PokerTracker charts. I’ll perhaps still plot out the charts using PT for this blog, although for now HEM is definitely replacing my tracker of choice…

Letting The Aggromonkey Give Me His Money

Saturday, January 2nd, 2010

Damn, I hate derailing my own posts, especially when it’s a big end of year one – skip down to the next post and read the wonderous scribblings there first, then come back and laugh at my play here. I just went on a nice +$36 session, but had some dubious hands;

What does anyone make of this?

A guy with no history shows up and goes aggro all over some poor guy;

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
5 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($10)
Hero ($18.38)
BTN ($10.15)
SB ($10.36)
BB ($8.96)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players)
1 fold, Hero folds, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.40, BB calls $0.30

Flop: 8hearts poker card 9clubs poker card 8clubs poker card ($0.80, 2 players)
SB bets $0.77, BB calls $0.77

Turn: 2spades poker card ($2.34, 2 players)
SB bets $2.23, BB calls $2.23

River: Qdiamonds poker card ($6.80, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $6.96, BB folds

Final Pot: $13.76

SB wins $13.42 (net +$3.06)

BB lost $3.40

Is this value betting? Looks like hammering til they fold type stuff to me. When he’s on a draw though (BB in this hand), he’s much more passive;

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
5 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($7.84)
Hero ($13.35)
BTN ($10)
SB ($10)
BB ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is CO Jspades poker card 10spades poker card
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30, UTG folds

Flop: 5spades poker card 5diamonds poker card 10diamonds poker card ($1.30, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.24, SB raises to $2.68, BB calls $2.68, Hero calls $1.44

Turn: 6clubs poker card ($9.34, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: Qhearts poker card ($9.34, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $9.34
Hero shows
Jspades poker card 10spades poker card
BB shows
Adiamonds poker card 6diamonds poker card
SB shows
2diamonds poker card 3diamonds poker card

Hero wins $8.88 (net +$5.80)

BB lost $3.08
UTG lost $0.10
SB lost $3.08

So in this next hand where he tangles with me, it’s a drawy board but he doesn’t play it passively. Should I have given the flop reraise more credit, and started thinking I could be up against an overpair or J with better kicker? I called flop since I wasn’t giving him much credit, and figured he was trying to push me off the flop – since I had top pair with good(ish) kicker I figured I was ok.

Then the turn completed the flush that I didn’t think he was on, plus I had a Qhearts poker card, I figured I’d call with the possibility of a decent flush. Finally on the river it was a blank, and since I’d called the turn I could hardly fold to a bet less than pot.

Aggromonkey is UTG;

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($13.27)
UTG+1 ($9.70)
CO ($10.20)
Hero ($19.10)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($2.65)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is BTN Jclubs poker card Qhearts poker card
UTG raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: 3hearts poker card Jhearts poker card 7diamonds poker card ($0.95, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.45, Hero raises to $1.13, UTG raises to $2.15, Hero calls $1.02

Turn: 5hearts poker card ($5.25, 2 players)
UTG bets $2.49, Hero calls $2.49

River: 7clubs poker card ($10.23, 2 players)
UTG goes all-in $8.23, Hero calls $8.23

Final Pot: $26.69
Hero shows
Jclubs poker card Qhearts poker card
UTG shows
Ahearts poker card Kclubs poker card

Hero wins $25.69 (net +$12.42)

UTG lost $13.27

He then berated me for making a really bad call (which one? Did he really think the river was a bad call?), and said ‘broke with TPBK’ which was funny since he was the one that went broke with A high.

Still, his point about a big pot with just top pair is kinda valid, but with his hands was I justified in seeing the hand through?

Edit: hmm, actually that river isn’t that blank. Maybe I was lucky on that hand…

2009

Saturday, January 2nd, 2010

The holiday season hasn’t been kind to me – in the second half of December I’ve thrown away $150. A lot of it was literally thrown away too. In a recent session I discovered that turning up the aggression slightly was working well – one move in particular where you’re out of position and it’s the kind of flop you’d cbet (dry board, single A or K on it), so you check and let your opponent do the cbet, and then you raise. Previously I’d call, and lead the turn, but obviously this has the downside of giving another card. So the flop check-raise was proving successful, and then I watched an awesome video on being a LAG. This unfortunately had the effect of me spewing $40 in a few hundred hands!

I think the differences between the session where the aggro worked and the one where I spewed were;

a) First session I’d already played for a while, and hadn’t shown myself to be anything out of the ordinary, while the second session I sat down and started firing away. Any idiot could put down as a aggrotard, and this is what happened (my check-raise was reraised every time just about).
b) I picked my spots more carefully the first time. I had got to know the players at the tables, and was able to pick and choose when to push harder. The second session I’d just started, and was basically trying to bully complete unknowns.
c) The second session I didn’t back down. I often continued against those players who pushed back at my 3bets. Consequently I ran into AA several times quite quickly. At one point I had to three barrel bluff, and the final river push finally made the guy fold, but how stupid is that! It worked once, but I don’t think it was a profitable thing to do…

So anyway, 2010 I will stop being an idiot. I’m still bankrolled for nl10, but only 10 buy-ins above the move down point – if I don’t even out I’ll be back at NL5 by February. However, you’ve got to experiment with your game I believe, so I don’t feel too bad (it’s not as if I’m going to turn pro any time soon).

Ok, onto the 2009 review;

Cash:

Tourney:

Well, it’s in the black! :-) (the $40 lost yesterday was 2010, so close thing to ruining the year’s results, lol).

The New Year, 2009
This time last year I’d dropped right down to NL2 – most of my game up to that point had been NL10 at Full Tilt (which was their lowest stakes at that time), and it hadn’t been going very well. So I moved to Pokerstars and dropped down, first to NL5 and then to NL2 as I continued to lose.

The Redeposit – April
In April I finally lost my entire account. I redeposited, and for some reason known only to myself at the time I went back to NL10. I then had a massive heater, gaining $350 in 20k hands. How that happened I’ve no idea! I should go back and look at those hands in detail, but as far as I can remember I was very very lucky – PokerTracker all-in performance says $120 over expected value at its peak.

The Cash Out – July
Inevitably the heater ran out, and I lost a bunch of $$$ pretty quickly. I think I’d upped the number of tables I was playing, plus overconfidence, and that led to much spewage. As it came crashing down a personal credit card problem suddenly arose and I had to withdraw my entire roll to pay for it. In hindsight this was actually a useful thing to happen to me. Firstly, it showed the kindness of friends as they immediately transferred to me a little bit of spare cash to keep playing. Secondly it made me decide to follow bankroll management properly. Up until that point I’d play NL10 if I had over $100 in my account (or over only $50 sometimes). Starting from $30 with the knowledge that I wouldn’t be able to redeposit in the next couple of months really made sure I did the right thing to avoid going busto again.

The Grind
So I returned to NL2 again. This time my game was much stronger and I rapidly built up enough to move to NL5. I carried on playing well and clipped $200 to move into NL10. I then lost a few buy-ins, and moved back down. Ground up, bust down. I did this 3 times (the three peaks at 41k, 51k and 65k hands). I suddenly realised I was doing the bankroll management slightly wrong – I had a single threshold of $200 where I moved either up or down. What I needed to do was set the move-up threshold higher than the move down one (ie $250 to move up, $200 to move down). This way I’d have a 5 buy-in margin to lose before having to move down.

The Donkament Win – November
I was within $20 of the $250 threshold, and it was taking ages (it says $60 on that graph, but I was also getting rakeback and bonuses which aren’t shown on the graph). It was November now, and I seemed to be on the most miserable downswing ever – no big spews, but not a single +ve session for ages and ages. Then one Sunday I was messing around playing some MTTs (as you can see from the graph above, I don’t tourney much), and suddenly went deep in a $2 180 man SNG. I walked away with $70 – I was finally in NL10 territory again.

The Final Fall
I seemed to be playing well and built my roll up to $450. It didn’t feel like a heater this time, and I felt confident that I was winning appropriate hands rather than sucking out. I decided to look closer at Rakeback and see which site was the best for me, and so I split my roll amongst 4 sites – Full Tilt, PokerStars, Ultimate Bet and Party Poker. The difference between the sites was amazing – at NL10 UB and PP was full of limpers who’d try to see every street, while FT and PS still had its usual compliment of 2p2 players. Despite this I’ve failed to profit from them, and even worse seemed to have spewed a ton of money.

Final Roundup
So what’s the roundup of the year? I have to be honest with myself and say I’m not very good at poker. Almost 100k hands, and still being buffeted around by variance and barely keeping above the rake. In fact since my chart shows only +$44 profit, it’s obvious my entire roll ($350 at end of 2009) is made entirely of rakeback and bonuses.

Is that a big problem? I guess not as I still enjoy playing. I still enjoy the challenge of learning a game where it’s clear that gaining knowledge and experience will lift you through the ranks. The frustration is coming from seeing the stakes I play as a goal in itself.

So my resolution for 2010 is to let go of the idea that I’m not a winning player if I can’t ascend rapidly up the stakes. I will play poker at the stakes my bankroll allows, and concentrate on being the best player I can for those stakes. I guess ascending graphs of $$$ won will show whether I’m succeeding, although for me it’ll be how I achieved it that’ll be more important…

Bad Beat

Wednesday, December 30th, 2009

I decided I had to 3bet bluff this guy preflop as he was clearly stealing every button (BB was supertight, so not worried about him. I possibly could have waited for a better hand, but he was starting to take the piss and needed to sent a message). He minraised back though, so I called rather than make it obvious I was bluffing (figured the $0.60 was worth it in order not to lose my image which had been quite strong up to that point), plus my hand was sooooted and you never know.

In hindsight, was a shove a bit excessive? He called it, and I was 70% favourite at that point, so it wasn’t bad really though, was it? Hands that would call are AA, KK (would’ve expected more than a minraise preflop, but obviously you can never tell), AQ, KQ (maybe), any pair that thought I was bluffing (huge river overbets seems a popular (and stupid) move at Party Poker), the hands I’m in danger of are sets although 3′s & 4′s are unlikely, as are QQ since I had one of the queens. The most likely outcome was a fold which would have been a good pot…

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($0.94)
UTG+1 ($8.44)
CO ($5.17)
BTN ($12.89)
Hero ($19.07)
BB ($13.24)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is SB Qhearts poker card 5hearts poker card
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, 1 fold, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: 3diamonds poker card 4spades poker card Qclubs poker card ($3.10, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.27, Hero calls $1.27

Turn: 5clubs poker card ($5.64, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in $16.30, BTN goes all-in $10.12

River: 3clubs poker card ($32.06, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $32.06
BTN shows
Adiamonds poker card Aclubs poker card
Hero shows
Qhearts poker card 5hearts poker card

BTN wins $24.88 (net +$11.99)

Hero collects $6.18 (net -$12.89)

Update: Actually today’s poker turned out to be very enjoyable despite that bad beat. Last couple of days Party Poker has been ultra-aggro, which is good when you get a hand against them but pretty bad when you don’t. I was doing well at putting people on hands, although still made a few mistakes. For instance, in the following hand I put the guy on a pocket pair between 88 & TT, which meant I was a bit stuck about what to do on the river. I thought he’d probably wouldn’t fold to a river bet, so I just let it go. I really wish I’d typed 88? into the chat and then raised…

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
5 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($7.80)
Hero ($18.72)
BTN ($10)
SB ($10.20)
BB ($9.42)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is CO 7diamonds poker card 7clubs poker card
UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

Flop: 6hearts poker card 4clubs poker card 6diamonds poker card ($1.50, 4 players)
SB bets $1.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.06

Turn: 10hearts poker card ($3.62, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.79, SB calls $1.79

River: Qclubs poker card ($7.20, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $7.20
Hero shows
7diamonds poker card 7clubs poker card
SB shows
8spades poker card 8diamonds poker card

SB wins $6.99 (net +$3.74)

BB lost $0.40
Hero lost $3.25
UTG lost $0.30

The guy who won that hand was a really solid player actually, although that made him actually easier to play against (or at least it made him less ‘random’). I was playing with him on two tables, and part of today’s enjoyment was that between the two of us we drained everyone else’s stacks. At the end of the day though he did better than me since I continued to float a little too often, bluff a few too many rivers etc. (kind of obvious from the awesome redline :-) ). Frustrating since I know without doing that (and without the bad beat), I’d have won a big pile today…


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