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So Maybe That’s Why

Monday, August 30th, 2010

Always good when Yegor explains something to me – small moment of feeling stupid followed by lightbulbs popping off all over the place.

It’s looking like multiway pots are a problem for me, and possibly something more – while all that was percolating around my head (it takes a while) I was browsing 2p2 and hit this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/micro-stakes-pl-nl/top-pair-but-no-reads-easy-fold-863394

The thread was about this hand;

SB: $18.60
BB: $25.35
UTG: $46.45
MP: $70.36
Hero (CO): $20.00
BTN: $25.00btw, MP is a solid player, 1st hand from BTN

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with Ahearts poker card Jdiamonds poker card
1 fold, MP raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.35) Aspades poker card 5spades poker card 6hearts poker card (3 players)
MP bets $2.00, Hero calls $2, BTN raises to $8.50, MP folds, Hero???

Immediately all the advice was to fold, and I was thinking wtf, fold big top pair with really good kicker? Then someone explained;

You are out of position and even best case scenario he has ~33% equity or so(naked fd). If he has flush+straight draw he’s actually ahead.

Yes you could be ahead but plenty of scarecards and it’s going to get expensive to find out.

You call, turn is blank, he bets, you what? You call, turn is another blank. He bets, you what? Pay off his set or 2 pair hoping to bust his bluff?

You call, turn is spade, he bluffs you with his OESD.

You call, turn is 9, he bets. You do what?

By calling you put yourself in icky spot and 3betting is just horrible. Unless there’s reason to believe he’s playing back at you probably best to just fold and save yourself headaches. There’s almost no good turn cards for you. 2 pair out in case he has 2 pair but thats about it. Could also be worst card in deck for you if he has set…(trips aren’t much of outs as if you were behind unlikely to help)

which made sense – if it had been me I’d have called (or even shoved maybe!). So I can’t even spot an easy fold :-(

Back To Old Ways

Sunday, August 29th, 2010

Returning to 6max seems to be all deja vu. I seem to have returned to my mysterious redline inversion;

I’ve googled around for reasons but it seems to be a rare thing. Possibilities are either I bluff too much or I’m too much of a calling station. From that last hand I posted it could be that I’m allowing my opponents to draw out on me too often, although I’m usually aware of pot odds and try to protect my hand against the obvious FDs & connected boards. OTOH from these two hands I could quite likely be a calling station when I have marginal hands;

  • showdown hand 1
    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    [url=http://weaktight.com/ftp/]FullTiltPoker[/url]
    6 Players

    Stacks:
    UTG ($5.51)
    Hero ($6.82)
    CO ($5.05)
    BTN ($3.80)
    SB ($3.09)
    BB ($5.26)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 Kspades poker card Jspades poker card
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

    Flop: 5hearts poker card Qdiamonds poker card Jhearts poker card ($0.50, 3 players)
    SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.45, CO folds, SB calls $0.95

    Turn: 6clubs poker card ($3.40, 2 players)
    SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

    River: 9hearts poker card ($4.40, 2 players)
    SB goes all-in $0.99, Hero calls $0.99

    Final Pot: $6.38
    SB shows a pair of Queens
    Qhearts poker card 8clubs poker card
    Hero shows
    Kspades poker card Jspades poker card

    SB wins $5.96 (net +$2.87)

    Hero lost $3.09
    CO lost $0.15

  • showdown hand 2
    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    [url=http://weaktight.com/ftp/]FullTiltPoker[/url]
    6 Players

    Stacks:
    UTG ($4.05)
    UTG+1 ($3.19)
    CO ($3.28)
    Hero ($5.20)
    SB ($9.09)
    BB ($3.63)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN Aclubs poker card 4diamonds poker card
    2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10

    Flop: 3clubs poker card 2diamonds poker card 4spades poker card ($0.37, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $0.37, CO calls $0.37

    Turn: Qspades poker card ($1.11, 2 players)
    CO bets $1.11, Hero calls $1.11

    River: 3hearts poker card ($3.33, 2 players)
    CO goes all-in $1.65, Hero calls $1.65

    Final Pot: $6.63
    Hero shows
    Aclubs poker card 4diamonds poker card
    CO shows two pair, Queens and Threes
    Qclubs poker card Jclubs poker card

    CO wins $6.19 (net +$2.91)

    Hero lost $3.28

I looked through nonshowdown hands, and it’s almost all flop cbets, with a few like this;

  • non-showdown hand 1
    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    [url=http://weaktight.com/ftp/]FullTiltPoker[/url]
    6 Players

    Stacks:
    UTG ($6.54)
    UTG+1 ($0.38)
    CO ($4.48)
    Hero ($5.87)
    SB ($9.82)
    BB ($7.12)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN Kdiamonds poker card Aclubs poker card
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

    Flop: Jhearts poker card 6hearts poker card Qhearts poker card ($0.32, 2 players)
    BB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, BB folds

    Final Pot: $0.92

    Hero wins $0.88 (net +$0.28)

    BB lost $0.30

  • non-showdown hand 2
    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    [url=http://weaktight.com/ftp/]FullTiltPoker[/url]
    6 Players

    Stacks:
    UTG ($5.22)
    UTG+1 ($3.45)
    CO ($12.59)
    Hero ($5.13)
    SB ($9.24)
    BB ($14.46)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN Ahearts poker card 10clubs poker card
    UTG raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds

    Flop: 9hearts poker card 9clubs poker card 7diamonds poker card ($0.27, 2 players)
    UTG bets $0.14, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG folds

    Final Pot: $0.81

    Hero wins $0.78 (net +$0.28)

    UTG lost $0.24

so I kinda suspect my non-showdown stuff where I’m catching obvious bluffs is actually good, and if I were to sort out my CS tendencies it would still remain a solid +ve (or at least breakeven) line (obviously reduced since I’ll be folding those pots I’m currently calling).

Plus fwiw here’s some stats;

Fold or Call?

Friday, August 20th, 2010

Moments away from going busto now (<$100 left), so to stretch it out a bit longer I decided to play NL5 rush poker with the intention of working on my 6max ABC poker. The idea being to tighten up a bit (I’m too much SLAG and not enough TAG), fold to big raises more and see how a less bluffy/more valuebetting me might do.

So far so good, more or less. Had one bad beat where my KT 2pair hand went all-in against their T8 2pair, and of course an 8 rolled out on the river – however need to put in loads more hands so those beats merge into the noise.

Anyway, if I’m supposed to be playing totally ABC, then what’s the move on this hand. Assume no history or stats (it is rush poker after all);

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem

6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($6.94)
UTG+1 ($7.17)
Hero ($5.75)
BTN ($6.92)
SB ($4.65)
BB ($5.79)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is CO 8spades poker card 8diamonds poker card
UTG raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.08, 1 fold

Flop: 9hearts poker card 4spades poker card 7hearts poker card ($0.35, 3 players)
SB bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

Turn: 2clubs poker card ($0.50, 3 players)
SB bets $0.50, UTG folds, Hero ?

Having a Heater is Bad for your Health

Sunday, July 11th, 2010

A couple of posts ago I said I wasn’t losing too badly, just losing out to rake since I couldn’t get past 50% ITM. Well I checked my stats a bit closer and turns out I am losing so far this month;

Most of it is shitty win one, lose one zigzagginess. None of it seems to bear any relation to whether my opponents were any good or not, even the fools who check every button won their fair share. One of them today made an awesome laydown though;

No Limit Holdem Tournament
2 Players

Stacks:
SB (1,640)
Hero (1,360)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Aclubs poker card 6clubs poker card
SB raises to 60, Hero calls 40

Flop: 5clubs poker card 10spades poker card Jhearts poker card (120, 2 players)
Hero bets 80, SB calls 80

Turn: Kclubs poker card (280, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 20, Hero calls 20

River: 9clubs poker card (320, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in 1,200, SB folds

Final Pot: 1,520
SB shows
Adiamonds poker card Qhearts poker card

Hero wins 1,520 (net +160)

SB lost 160

Admittedly shoving that river seems remarkably spewy since there aren’t many hands that would call, and he was also extremely passive – but that passivity was so extreme that I was convinced he really really liked his hand (I know turn bet was small, but *any* turn bet after he called was big strength from this guy). He tanked for quite a while before folding. I dunno if I would have had that strength…

That game was annoying in the end because I had him pinned down to < 500 chips for ages and he kept on clinging on, winning some flips back to equal stacks and then my 66 lost to his AK.

Here's another hand that shocked me. Different player, this time someone who raised their buttons and you'd expect more regular lines. Maybe flat calling a 3bet pre with aces is a much better move that 4betting or shoving?

No Limit Holdem Tournament
2 Players

$10.00+$0.50

Stacks:
SB (1,150)
Hero (1,850)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BB 10clubs poker card 10spades poker card
SB raises to 60, Hero raises to 180, SB calls 120

Flop: 4clubs poker card 8clubs poker card 9spades poker card (360, 2 players)
Hero bets 180, SB calls 180

Turn: 9diamonds poker card (720, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 340, Hero calls 340

River: 6hearts poker card (1,400, 2 players)
Hero bets 200, SB raises to 440, Hero calls 240

Final Pot: 2,280
SB shows two pair, Aces and Nines
Aclubs poker card Adiamonds poker card
Hero shows
10clubs poker card 10spades poker card

SB wins 2,280 (net +1,140)

Hero lost 1,140

Anyway, to the point of the title of this post – essentially I had two heaters this year, one at $10 games and the other at $30. The money from the $30s is blown away now, and my wins show I’m back to the point after the 4man $10s heater. It’s a pretty solid decline for the last 3 months. Those heaters raised my expectations, and it’s painful facing the reality that I’m not really winning at heads up.

I wish I knew where the holes are in my game. It was a lot more fun when I was winning…

Remember I’m Still Learning

Friday, May 21st, 2010

I’ve not played as much poker as I’d have liked this week – the weather’s nice so playing tennis in the evenings, plus on Wednesday I’ve started a Spanish night class (learnt the numbers the other night, whoo!).

Despite the lack of play though I’ve been really piling on the learning & evaluation side of things though – that downswing might have been the best thing to happen to me as I’d stopped learning and assumed I’d got the ABC side of poker down pat and was either winning or losing (50/50!). Since I was previously winning it all seemed great, but now I think it was just lucky really (as I’m not a complete idiot it was luck biased towards winning, but obviously that’s very precarious still).

Moving back down to $10s to concentrate on how I was playing (rather than printing money) was feeling a bit pathetic, but then Yegor reminded me I was still learning, and wasn’t going to be rich tomorrow. So very true, I need to keep telling myself this until I’m ready to return. This was reinforced today when I found a three year old post on 2p2 saying exactly the same thing. Cwar was saying when 20 buy-ins isn’t enough – most of the reasons were to do with tilt & poor mental state, but the final one was;

-You are learning, no need to move up faster than your knowledge will allow you, going from the $10s to $220s quickly is not going to happen without you needing to learn and adjust. If you breeze through a couple limits fast I would recommend slowing down a bit just to see how you adjust to the better play at higher limits.

The same point twice really, but it rams it home nicely. Adding on top of that the fact that the learning I’m currently doing is really opening my eyes to a lot of new things means it all feels constructive, and I’m not wasting my time, even if I’m not moving up (despite the BR telling me to).

Giving Up Gambling

Friday, May 14th, 2010

My downswing continued painfully, moving past the -$300 point. That’s a third of my bankroll in just under two weeks, so it was starting to look desperate.

I know what my problem is, and have really known it all along TBH. I run good, get confident, and then start to embrace the fun side of poker – the gambling!

So I chase draws, make big cock swinging hero calls, thin value bets when I have no value, and generally discard the fold button. All with the obvious consequences.

At the weekend I buckled down and started to squash these urges, and I managed to stall the downswing. It’s not turned round, but the latter half of this month has been breakeven which is better than before.

I’ve been reading 2p2 intensely, going over my HH, having other people go over my HHs, talking strat on AIM, and generally becoming an obsessive poker bore. It’s feeling good too.

After a long discussion last night with Yegor (ok, most of it was laughing about roseeker’s downfall) I decided to drop right down to $10 games and set a strong volume goal. I’ve currently 240 games at $10 with a ROI of 13%. I’m going to play another 260 to bring it to 500 games and see if I can nail my game down to a cold impassionate cyborg crushing of these $10 morons. No more hero calls :-D

So far so good, although I’d forgotten how bizarre $10 games can be. For $20 and $30 games the players have become far more rational about their lines, and betsizing is at least in relation to the pot size. $10s it’s still kinda crazy. For example I had 72o in a limped pot. The flop had been checked back so it was a $40 pot on a TJQK board. Villain fires out a bet of $200. Somewhat obvious what to do.

I’m still squishing some gambool tendencies though – same villain 3bet me pre while I had KJo. Against him I felt a call would be ok, but something in me said that he was just going to jam the flop with his A rags if I did. So I 4bet, which KJo isn’t really good enough for, and he shoved. So I thought ‘whatever’ and called to see that he did indeed have A6o. Here was the difficulty of $10 – he had no idea that a 4bet looks really strong and he was supposed to fold A6o. But that’s what we all say in these positions – ‘how could he shove with that!’. Ultimately these are mistakes which make us money. Anyway, neither of us improved, I went down to $900 and then had to fight another 10 minutes in order to finally win.

Videoing Sessions

Friday, May 7th, 2010

Yegor said he’d review some of my games if I videoed them – he reckons it’s easier to go through compared to a text HH or a replayer. And he’s right! After recording a few sessions I went back over them and it was really easy to see what was happening, way more than the HEM replayer.

It was so easy to review them that I’m tempted to record games by default. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that while recording it makes Windows a bit glitchy occasionally. I’m already plagued with disconnect problems, so dunno if I want to add more crappiness to it.

I started out recording using the trial version of camtasia, and that was pretty good once I figured out how to set the frame rate & compression. At £200 for a license though it’s too expensive to buy (I’m not installing any warez – too much trouble with malware).

So then I tried UltraVNC screen recorder which is free, and it worked perfectly. Slightly more glitchy than camtasia, although I’d upped the framerate which was probably the cause. Here’s the result. I tried uploading it to YouTube and it came out really fuzzy which is a shame as the camtasia ones worked quite well, but I’m not bothered by that.



Forum

Re: Forum is main site now by yegor_kgb 13:14, Aug 03 2010
Forum is main site now by Meteoric 21:27, Jul 30 2010
Re: StoxEV by Simon Debanks 09:25, May 07 2010
Re: StoxEV by Meteoric 20:05, Apr 29 2010
Re: StoxEV by yegor_kgb 08:30, Apr 28 2010
StoxEV by Simon Debanks 21:53, Apr 27 2010
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